Water powered bike from Oz (sorry NZ)

[Stuart]

Guys,
a friend at work sent me this You Tube link which shows a bike powered by water. Interesting stuff.
Andrew, pop around to this guys house and see what he's about, mate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyNNIDAp5dM

[andrewaust]

Nice link Stuart


The guy who actually sent the video clip into You-tube made a bit of a stuff up. Steve Ryan - the inventor of the water conditioning process is actually a New Zealander, and resides in Auckland N.Z.

To close-minded sceptics, they would think it's not possible to do something like this, but in my view it could be probable having an open mind, knowing water contains two powerful elements, Hydrogen and Oxygen.

I've personally set up a small Joe Cell type rig, using a square wave frequency to split the two elements, but both myself and my electronics guru pulled out when it attracted to much attention.

I also saw a documentary called "Conspiracy" that demonstrated the fact the water will explode when put under enormous pressure and hit with a massive pulse of current - so it's just to prove the energies there, just need to split and harness it some how.

Its all fun

Here's something to think about = Diesel type engine with small bore and extremely long stroke running compression up to 40:1, and then injecting a fine mist spray of water into a air charge of 1200 deg C, any ideas No explosion, but would the water react enough to form super heated steam and push the piston down, or would it cool the air charge with no result.


Andrew

[Byrdman]

Here's something to think about = Diesel type engine with small bore and extremely long stroke running compression up to 40:1, and then injecting a fine mist spray of water into a air charge of 1200 deg C, any ideas No explosion, but would the water react enough to form super heated steam and push the piston down, or would it cool the air charge with no result.

Interesting concept.

I've seen a similiar concept at work on high-performance 2-stroke gasoline engines.

Tiny droplets of water/ice will get sucked into an open carburetor. They travel into the cylinder and land on a very hot, aluminum piston. Upon contact they actually explode/boil and leave small pit marks on the piston face.

If the piston were made of a different material, water droplet size could be controled, and enough heat could be generated, it's scary close to a working concept!

[andrewaust]

Hi Byrdman



That's a good point you raised there. I guess a piston would benefit from having a ceramic coating, or be completely ceramic. Any engine dealing with the use of a water type fuel would benefit from anti corrosion alloys/metals/coatings throughout. The cylinder would benefit from a Chrome Nickel bore come to think of it.

The next obstacle being the injection being able to handle the high compression and being resistant to water damage either by corrosion and wear.

I'd actually like to see what the result would be myself now after posting it up. I've worked on projects of all types through the years, some worked, some needed deeper exploring "and financing" and some I ran away from

The biggest obstacle is to get the info or product recognised, that in itself is never easy.

Hay wouldn't that rock the socks off some = Motorcycle running on a water based fuel, using the C.I principle =


PS: Just remember; never say never - If you have a practical idea, give it a go.




Cheers


Andrew

[Byrdman]

Hi Byrdman
PS: Just remember; never say never - If you have a practical idea, give it a go.

If you ever hear of some fat guy who blew himself up in Chicago while trying some new type of combustion, you'll know who it was.

[oilburner]

I have spent many hours following the tangled web around the water fuel and energy thing and I am convinced the joe cell and a few other devices are for real. The inventors have accidentally stumbled onto various means of tapping into energy sources which the scientific community either knows little about or is purposely dismissing as hogwash. If the devices are a hoax, one has to wonder why is it that in almost every case the inventer is threatened and/or assaulted and ordered to cease and desist and destroy the device and notes. Of course, it should not be lost on everyone that the impact of any one of these devices getting into the mainstream public would have disasterous implications worldwide, economically and politically. The reasons are too many, too complicated and too far off topic to discuss here. Since this is mostly off topic for this forum, this will be my only post on the subject (back to diesels).

The joe cell is particularly intriguing. It appears to be applicable to diesel as well as gasoline engines. (Hehe, there's the obligatory diesel content for this post). At first glance the claims sound outrageous, but it's only with many hours of surfing that the concept begins to make sense (check out joe cell/orgone energy history). The Aussies have been particularly successful with the joe cell as was American Bill Williams with one on his Ford truck until he was threatened in April of last year (see elsewhere on the internet).

Hydrogen on demand devices have been used in Australia with stationary auto engines used to generate power. Basically, the device is a tank with electrodes that uses electrolysis to create hydrogen which is then fed directly into the engine.

Another fellow accidentally dropped an electrical cord into a bucket of water which resulted in a huge bang. Intrigued, he was able to build a device to replicate the explosion by using a 12V-110V converter to power a 1978 Camaro on water as fuel (see Watercar on the internet).

Finally, on a slightly different note, there is the Richard Clem engine. It consists of a cone shaped rotor which is spun by hydraulic fluid. Started by an electrically operated hydraulic pump, once the engine reaches a certain RPM, it runs by itself. Check out Viktor Schauberger's work with water energy for background in water implosion turbines. Heady stuff.

I recommend visiting the archives on www.keelynet.com for archives and daily updates of info on such devices. Scroll down past the adverts to the list of news briefs which is in date order. FWIW another site states that more than 4000 such inventions have been suppressed in the interest of national security.

Avery

[andrewaust]

Hi Guys



Hay great to see you are interested in giving the experiment a go Byrdman, if you want to know more information feel free to PM me K. Just be careful when dealing with ultra high compression = also think 2 stroke "hint hint" . Plasma spark discharge is another interesting area.

Thanks also for your post Avery, it's great to see yet another person having an open mind to the subject.

I won't give to much away, but living here in Australia I can relate to exactly what you said. You may have heard of an Australian chap by the name of Geoff Egel who has much information on the net. I think he may have been visited too

Keelynet is a terrific place to look around, so to is www.peswiki.com "Pure Energy Systems". It also has a few topics on Diesel Technology.




Cheers


Andrew

[vasco1976]

Hi Guys



Hay great to see you are interested in giving the experiment a go Byrdman, if you want to know more information feel free to PM me K. Just be careful when dealing with ultra high compression = also think 2 stroke "hint hint" . Plasma spark discharge is another interesting area.

Thanks also for your post Avery, it's great to see yet another person having an open mind to the subject.

I won't give to much away, but living here in Australia I can relate to exactly what you said. You may have heard of an Australian chap by the name of Geoff Egel who has much information on the net. I think he may have been visited too

Keelynet is a terrific place to look around, so to is www.peswiki.com "Pure Energy Systems". It also has a few topics on Diesel Technology.




Cheers


Andrew

Hello Andrew,

I'm interested in creating that 'plasma spark discharge' you mentioned above. Is there a way to create it using simple means / tools and low voltage electricity ( let's assume using 12 V ordinary battery ? ). Can I PM you on steps to replicating the small JC for bike ? Been reading alot about the JC also and thinking of giving it a try on the bike...

Thanks alot..

[andrewaust]

Hi Vasco


No worries, please feel free to PM me. There is a particular person I have in mind that could be of some tremendous help if you are thinking of putting together a plasma ignition circuit.

Also - have a good look around on the web and get a feel for how this type of ignition differs from our CDI type units.

Its a bit like looking at a TV/Monitor CRT screen and searching for exactly what it is - vacuum particle accelerator tube.




Cheers


Andrew