how about the bigges single yanclone?

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:07 am

Dear Folks, it seems that the bigger-than-the 418- yanclone is more in production..
at first(??) the crankshafts were prone to break but the Rotek folks say'; das Problem ist bereits behoben'. ) That problem is already solved)

So, after rhaving my enfield engineless for more then 2 years (gave the 418 engine and subframe away, had other diesel plans but didn't work out)

Is there already experience with the bigges single Yanclone?
Last years i am using my 350 jawa for daily traffic- also fun and very reliable- but i miss my diesel!

pietenpol2002 · Post by **pietenpol2002** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:45 pm

If you're looking at the larger clones, how about dialing it on up to the 15 hp. Once again, time will tell whether life expectancy can surpass the fruit fly. Might just be another case of having the customer provide the R&D.

http://www.runsungroup.com/bbx/712870-7 ... id=1072042

Or you could bump it up another notch and go with the factory turboed twin. Though you might have to get a run at it if you hope to fit it in the Enfield frame.

http://www.runsungroup.com/bbx/712870-7 ... pid=795892

And then perhaps a bit old school, but I do rather like the hand crank option for the clones.

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00tj ... el-de-.jpg

Post by **alexanderfoti** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:48 am

That's quite cool! I fired off a message to the supplier and have pricing for the '15 hp' engines.

499 plus 160 shipping. In us dollars to the UK.

The shipping price is the same for 1-6 units. Would anybody else want to buy at the same time?

I think 15hp is a bi the much considering the 406cc makes 9.6 and think this is more like 12.5-13hp max. Which is still a fair gain.

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:19 pm

Yes, but from the 418 every bigger yanclone has problems of some sort, and i cannot forget the cylinder head problems my 418 suffered.. but that was the only weak point in the 90.K km service it showed..

Nevertheless, i am interested in a new bigger yanclone single IF/ ita ne it has proven its reliability..

Post by **alexanderfoti** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:29 pm

arnaud wrote:Yes, but from the 418 every bigger yanclone has problems of some sort, and i cannot forget the cylinder head problems my 418 suffered.. but that was the only weak point in the 90.K km service it showed..

Nevertheless, i am interested in a new bigger yanclone single IF/ ita ne it has proven its reliability..

True.

What cylinder head issues did you have?

Still, £312 delivered is pretty damn cheap, for a brand new engine.

sbrumby · Post by **sbrumby** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:15 am

I make it £388 but are you including import duty?

Post by **alexanderfoti** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:29 am

sbrumby wrote:I make it £388 but are you including import duty?

I was pricing it if 6 engines where bought rather than one, as shipping is the same up to 6 units. That's including the quoted import duty from the supplier.

gilburton · Post by **gilburton** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:33 am

Plus VAT??
To be honest for the extra £100 or so it might be better to buy from Price Parts as you will have the backup if it goes bang.
You will have a useless lump of metal with no back up if bought from China??
Just my thoughts

Post by **alexanderfoti** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:19 pm

That is a point although the price part one is 456. Not sure about the vat actually

gilburton · Post by **gilburton** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:32 pm

Is that shipping to the port? If so you will also have to arrange collection/delivery to your home as well!!

Post by **alexanderfoti** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:32 pm

gilburton wrote:Is that shipping to the port? If so you will also have to arrange collection/delivery to your home as well!!

No its Shipping to the final destination.

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:55 pm

alexanderfoti wrote:
arnaud wrote:Yes, but from the 418 every bigger yanclone has problems of some sort, and i cannot forget the cylinder head problems my 418 suffered.. but that was the only weak point in the 90.K km service it showed..

Nevertheless, i am interested in a new bigger yanclone single IF/ ita ne it has proven its reliability..
True.

What cylinder head issues did you have?

Still, £312 delivered is pretty damn cheap, for a brand new engine.

Hi, well, more then once there came a rupture (also topiced in this forum) between the hole from the injector and a valve opening.. the thickness of the injector-seat is very thin and weak..
For replacements i was send after paying -out of balance- a lot of money, already damaged/useless cylinder heads..from well known stores often mentioned here..

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:57 pm

As for the power, an enfield is not made for over 100km/h cruising speed let's face it, the frame is very shitty!.. 90km/h is fine.. and is well capable with the 418 engine..
did the Alps with it, with luggage and passenger.. no prob's.. exept angry drivers behind us..

Post by **alexanderfoti** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:54 pm

arnaud wrote:As for the power, an enfield is not made for over 100km/h cruising speed let's face it, the frame is very shitty!.. 90km/h is fine.. and is well capable with the 418 engine..
did the Alps with it, with luggage and passenger.. no prob's.. exept angry drivers behind us..

I'll have a look out for those topics sounds like one to keep an eye for. True on the Enfield not taking much more speed but mine is a yamha xj600 with twin discs.

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:30 pm

Well, now i am really, honestly trying to re-instate my enfield diesel..
Is there any more info about the biggest yanclone and the several dealers?
I've had the 418 and the cylinderhead was really a weak point..

Further i am interested in a way to place the engine in the middle- so have to get the longer transmission shaft- but how to support? does the slide bearing like priceparts hold? and all the strain is then transferred via the aluminium(!) inner primary and adaptor ring (which is, quite expensive.. why??)

Further, i am wondering if in the meanwhile- i've been out of the circuit for a while- plug & play subframes- which are strong enough to maintain the rigidity of the original design- for sale, or that is is still the best to build your own..
Would be gratefull for replies..

pietenpol2002 · Post by **pietenpol2002** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:16 am

Here in the states we have a very curious statement posted by a1biofuel at http://www.a1biofuel.net/. A number of builders bought their engine from these fellows in the past. Additionally, there don't appear to be any Chinese diesel engines listed on Fleabay here in the states (although there are various forms of equipment utilizing those engine listed). Carroll Stream has sold the various Chinese diesel engines on Ebay for quite some years and now don't seem to have a presence there. However, their website reports having them in stock. Have others noticed the same?

Regarding your problems with the head. It would appear when they modified the head from the old single bolt rocker retainer, they moved the placement of the opening for the injector. In the pics below it appears closer to the intake valve in the 418 head than in the 406 head. I should add that I believe that both heads were used on both engines depending on which factory produced (copied) them.

Double Bolt 418cc Head

Single Bolt 406cc Head

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:07 am

Indeed, it had to do with the injector hole. The cylinder head is very thin there, All the ruptures were from the injector hole to an valve seat..

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:14 pm

So, is priceparts th only on the market providing lobger gearbox shafts and inner-primary enfield cases with an support bearing?
No one experienced the new, largest yanclones??

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:32 pm

Only for 170 miles

There is also a supporting bearing in the engine spacer too.

I also have a cush drive clutch.

arnaud · Post by **arnaud** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:02 pm

Today i have been informed biy the Rotek staff, that the 456cc yanclone is not reliable for motorcycle use.. did not get explanation why not..
so, back to the 418?

bf109v7 · Post by **bf109v7** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:59 am

What i read here shocks me. because I have a Yanmar clone, but it says it is not made in China but in Japan by M.C. Kawasaki. It has 558 cc and is rated with 16 HP at 3600. I bought this engine in the Philippines. But I cannot find any information about it in the Internet except the advertisment of 2 dealers in the Philippines. In the housing is cast in KAWASAKI and made in Japan. And on a sticker it says Typ: 196 FA and some other informations. It is now in a boat and ran about 3 hours with no problems, except it is very hard to start with the rope, you can feel the extra cc. So I added an electric starter. I rann full throttel only for very short time, because you should not use full power for the first 20 hours. But, compared withe the 16 HP Briggs & Stratton, it looks like it has the 16 HP. Did anybody hear about this engine? I mailed already to Kawasaki heavy industries, they mailed that M.C. Kawasaki is not connected with them.
Alex

pietenpol2002 · Post by **pietenpol2002** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:41 am

Greetings Alex. And a wonderful job on the 109. BTW, your English is great. No apologies needed.

Regarding your engine, I do wonder if you aren't the victim of some creative Chinese marketing. The pics from the Philippine website reflects an engine that is identical in every regard to the smaller Yanclones ranging from 406-486 CCs. It's difficult to imagine how they could stretch bore and stroke to 558 CCs while all other dimensions, weight and parts remain constant. Curiously, the one Philippine supplier lists the 558 CC engine as placarded at 18 hp. Additionally, the listed cost of the engine ($440 USD) is consistent with typical Chinese figures and far below anything built in the Japanese market. But, all the above is idle speculation on my part.

http://m.olx.ph/index.php/view+classifi ... e+For+Sale

There is indeed a 486 cc copy of the Yanmar. It's a bit different from the smaller Yanclones in that it has the jug/barrell cast separately, with through bolts between the crankcase and the head. As noted in an earlier post, reliability is remains a question.

http://dieselwarehousetasmania.weebly.c ... Start.html

BTW, as yours came without a starter, did it also come without a charging system? And is one needed for your boat application, apart from charging the battery? If an electrical system isn't needed for other purposes, you could always go with the option below and dispense with electrics entirely.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/186F-die ... 13434.html

bf109v7 · Post by **bf109v7** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:45 am

My engine had no charching coil and no starter gear. I bought it fron this store for 16500 Peso
http://m.olx.ph/index.php/view+classifi ... saki+16+HP
And for the Starter, the starter gear, the Charger coilwith magnet and the voltage regulator an other 8000 peso, but in a differnt store, all items chinise made.
I know, that in the Philippines they print all kind of labels saying were its made and stick it to cheap staff. But casting made in Japan into the housing?
We will see what happens when I rann it with continius full power after 20 hours brake in time.
Alex

bf109v7 · Post by **bf109v7** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:50 pm

I bought an head gasket today for this engine, and the gasket is for a bore of 86. And a bore of 86 is for the typ 186, which has only 10 HP and 406 cc with 70 stroke. 556 cc with a bore of 86 would mean a stroke of 96!
On my enginge cylnder and crankcase is one part. I have 10 hours now. When I do the valve clearance and zhe oil change after 20 hours I will take out the Injektor and I think I can feel the stroke with a thin rod though this hole. Would a crank wtih 96 stroke fit into the housing? I just read, my enginge is called typ 196. For the typ 186 the 86 means the bore. But a bore of 96 is impossibe between the studs, which are 80 apart. Could it mean the stroke?
If it does not break fast, a 96 stroke with the resulting low end tork would make this engine very sutable for a motorcylce!
Alex

bf109v7 · Post by **bf109v7** » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:21 am

I could not wait, I took out the injector and checked the stroke with a welding wire. I measured 75, could be +/- 2. I am disappionted. So it cant be true
what is written on the sticker.
Alex

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